A Visit


Fr Andrew preaching on the Commandments

We welcomed Mgr Andrew Burham this morning to our Group in Bournemouth.  The Ordinariate is unevenly distributed across the country, and it is important that we keep in touch.  Priests are able to do this through our periods of instruction at Allen Hall and elsewhere, but our lay people need to be kept in the picture.

The House was filled with smoke

Accordingly our Ordinary has given his two assistants, both former Anglican Bishops, responsibility in the two halves of the Country, Mgr Burnham in the West and Mgr Broadhurst in the East.  They also have other tasks — Fr Andrew helps look after the Oxford Group, and is very involved in liturgical matters for the Ordinariate.  So his visit to us today was greatly appreciated.

Fully Attentive

We had permission to print and distribute copies of the Pastoral Letter on Marriage from the Bishop's Conference rather than read it out, so that there was time for Fr Andrew to preach to us.  He gave us a catechetical run-down on the Ten Commandments, and explained how they are numbered differently in different Christian traditions, and how these differences can also reflect different emphases — for instance in Protestantism the command concerning graven images is a separate commandment, whereas in the Catholic tradition it is part of the First Commandment to love and honour God.

Fr Andrew with Tom (visiting from St Joseph's Christchurch)

After Mass we had a forty minute session which encouraged us greatly.  We asked questions about music, reconciliation, versions of Scripture and a wide range of other concerns.

Animated Discussion

It was good that the three or four members of the parish congregation who worshipped with us today also contributed to the discussion.  With their encouragement we are made to feel increasingly at home in Our Lady Queen of Peace.

A Jolly Occasion

It will have been a long day for Mgr Burnham, with a two hour drive in each direction, and we all appreciated his coming to us enormously.  I hope from the pictures you may see that this was not a totally solemn event.

Author: Fr. Edwin Barnes

Bishop Barnes read theology for three years at Oxford before finishing his studies at Cuddesdon College (at the time a theological college with a rather monastic character). He subsequently served two urban curacies in Portsmouth and Woking. During his first curacy, and after the statutory three years of celibacy, he married his wife Jane (with whom he has two children, Nicola and Matthew). In 1967, Bishop Barnes received his first incumbency as Rector of Farncombe in the Diocese of Guildford. After eleven years, the family moved to Hessle, in the Diocese of York, for another nine years as vicar. In 1987, he became Principal of St Stephen’s House, Oxford. In 1995, he was asked by then Archbishop of Canterbury, George Carey, to become the second PEV for the Province. He was based in St. Alban’s and charged with ministering to faithful Anglo-Catholics spread over the length of Southern England, from the Humber Estuary to the Channel Islands. After six years of service as a PEV, Bishop Barnes retired to Lymington on the south coast where he holds the Bishop of Winchester’s license as an honorary assistant bishop. On the retirement of the late and much lamented Bishop Eric Kemp, he was honored to be asked to succeed him as President of the Church Union. Both these appointments he resigned on becoming a Catholic in 2010. Fr. Barnes is now a priest of the Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham, caring for an Ordinariate Group in Southbourne, Bournemouth.

41 thoughts on “A Visit”

  1. "The house was full of smoke!" Would that there had been more. Then the people would not have noticed that the celebrant was facing the wrong direction. What we are seeing here is only neo-conservative Anglicans celebrating the Novus Ordo. No need for an ordinariate for that.


    1. Karl, you are a tease. The extraordinary form is closest to the rites from the English Missal and is available for the Ordinariate, but people might object that latin was hardly Anglican Patrimony. There will be an-Anglican-friendly missal in due course, but the erection of the American ordinariate, to be be closely followed by the Australian, must have put a delay on the production. After all we don't want a liturgy that is only printed in loose-leaf format and changes every few years. Even with an agreed text it was about 18 months before the new english-language missal was printed.

    2. Permit me to say that you comment is, thank the Lord, untypical of the welcome given by the vast majority of Roman Catholics to their newly-acquired brothers and sisters in the Ordinariate Groups.

      I accept that you have your own liturgical obsessions, but the clergy of the OLW Ordinariate are authorised to celebrate Holy Mass in a number of forms and, provided they observe the instructions appertaining thereto, then it is really inappropriate for you to make "clever" remarks from the sidelines.

      1. Your criticism is a little off-target. Mr Perkins has never been anything other than warmly welcoming towards people coming in via the ordinariates.

  2. Right on point Mr. Perkins.

    Take it from a cradle Catholic, for whatever that is worth, do not repeat our mistakes.

  3. Indeed, we are very happy with our new brothers, and soon (are 5 years a long wait talking about liturgy?) will be a new BDW.

  4. Oh, my problem is not with the incomers but with the very unCatholic liberals who now run the Holy Catholic Church. A certain Cardinal Wuerl among them has just removed a good priest in the U.S.A. (and suspended his faculties) because he dared to deny Holy Communion to a lesbian openly living with her whatever. Thank God for Archbishop Lefebvre!, who, unlike these unfaithful shepherds, refused to compromise the Faith.

    I pray that the incomers will indeed be able to preserve their patrimony–from the wolves in the episcopate of the Latin Church. May God and our Lady help them! What we are seeing so far in England, however, is only "Welcome to the Novus Ordo". I can't help missing the irony: Anglo-Catholics seeking to escape Protestantism in the Church of England only to find a far worse Bugnini Freemasonic Protestantism thrust upon them in the Latin Church: Blessed are You [sic/sick] Lord God of all creation.

    Sorry, but it really is troubling to me as a Latin traditionalist (and not affiliated with the S.S.P.X, by the way), to see Msgr. Burnham celebrlating Mass at the Protestant butcher's block and with his back turned to the real Altar and our Lord Himself in the tabernacle. A wonder if there is only one 'fair linen cloth" (Cranmer) on the suppertable this evening? Something is terribly wrong with this picture. I can only pray that Benedict XVI lives long enough to correct some of these abuses. Instead, they are now infecting the ordinariates.


  5. Mr Perkins, The duty of any Catholic is to obey the Holy See. The Order of Mass celebrated at Bournemouth, and its ordering, were as directed by the Holy See. Had I a choice, and had the traditional altar space on it for celebration, I would have faced East, as we do in Oxford, but the first courtesy expected of a visitor is to fit in with local customs, which I do except when (rarely, and never so far in the Ordinariate) what is asked for is illicit (e.g. a child reading the Gospel, a song by the Bachelors about drops of rain instead of the Creed….) . As for patrimony, there were several features of the way that the splendid Bournemouth group conducts itself, which are a real gift to the Church. The RSV, for example, and the use of incense and liturgical singing, which are still rare in Catholic circles, as I have encountered them. We also used the Roman Canon…… and afterwards had a serious discussion about the recovery of the Sacrament of Penance.
    Fr Andrew

    1. Dear Mongsinior Burnham,

      Firstly let me tell you how happy I am for you and yours to re-join us in this our little ship our humble bark of St. Peter. It is surely Providence it self that has made it possible that the Ordinariates are happening now in which they can or rather will do the most good within the Church of Christ. I pray the Ordinariate grows and succeeds all earthly expectations and do so in satisfaction of the will of our Lord Jesus Christ under the protection of our Blessed Lady.

      At the same time I hope to communicate to you our fear, that is the fear of most traditionally minded and at the same time most obedient to the mind of the Holy Father, I believe. That the Anglo Patrimony of which B16 speaks of so highly is in many ways though not limited to the many Roman practices that were indeed lost after the now infamous council. In my view and that of many in the Church you have been brought in to provide guidance towards a future that includes our past, that is that includes our Catholic identity, most specifically speaking our Roman Catholic identity.

      It is the infusion of your Ordinariate as well as those that may God be willing the inclusion of the reconciled SSPX that would infuse much needed blood of rediscovery for that which was lost and is so missed.

      Though I understand your humbleness to try to be as respectful as possible, I think that a very teachable moment was missed, to reintroduce a timeless tradition that should trump a local costume of which is no older than 50 years at most. Not only that but one that has been one of the most destructive within the Church, that being versus populum posture at Mass.

      I think that many of us look forward to the future in which there is an Church of the Ordinariate close by we who are not coming from Anglicanism could yet find shelter from the Novus Ordo of which so much of our Faith has been drained and sponged. At this point you and the besieged traditional orders are our only sanctuary.

    2. Dear Monsignor Burnham

      The RSV was my Bible as an Episcopalian. It was also my Bible when I became a Catholic with the Imprimatur of the Archbishop of Westminster of course. I keep both bibles still on my shelf and it shows the continuity in the tradition where I was raised as a Christian. The Philippines is the third largest English speaking country in the world and before the Philippine Roman Catholic Church had its own English bible, we used the RSV in catechetical classes in primary school.

      The RSV is really part of the Anglican Patrimony. I am elated that this translation has been made official for the Ordinariates. Recovery of the old tradition cannot happen overnight and its success will be based on respect for local custom as far as the law of our Holy Catholic Church would allow. We have been introducing the old traditions like liturgical singing, chants, the Latin prayers and Abp Cranmer's prose to Catholic students in the University of the Philippines with the step by step introduction of community prayer in the Anglican tradition. This is with the blessing of our Latin rite ordinary who has close ecumenical ties with the bishops of the Episcopal Church of the Philippines. We use the Book of Divine Worship as instructed by our bishop. The Episcopal Church of the Philippines has been gracious to us knowing that we are not "poaching" Anglicans nor making Anglicans out of Roman Catholics but because we are sharing a most beautiful prayer expression which when it touches Christians draw them closer to Christ. I think this is what the Ordinariate really is. The sharing and enrichment of a prayer culture between Roman Catholics and Anglicans won't happen overnight but with Anglicanorum coetibus it has speeded up. At the centre of this is a monastic spirituality shared by lay and clergy alike in the world, as Dr Rowan Williams and the Holy Father Benedict have most beautifully stated. We don't become monastic in a day, but in a lifetime.

      I daily pray for God's graces to the Ordinariates of Our Lady of Walsingham and the Chair of St Peter.

  6. Regardless of the Missal used, I took the comment as being in regards to his posture facing the people. In the past couple of days I thought I had read a report that the Ordinariates would be celebrating Mass ad Orientem. I don't recall where I read that, but doing a search this was reported in the Tablet a few months back:

    "Mgr Andrew Burnham said the Congregation for Divine Worship 'is likely to commend eastward celebration, when the dynamic of the building suggests it'”.

    I take it the building did not make the suggestion to him.

  7. By the time the Ordinariate gets its own rite it will more or less have ceased to exist. Increasing numbers of lay members are finding happiness in being members of local Catholic congregations. While many of the clerical members have brought with them the Anglican patrimony of falling out with each other. Some of the younger ones long for incardination in a diocese. The Ordinariate's sole transitional deacon causes offence wherever he goes. Rome has no liking for the proposed Ordinariate rite, least of all its Sarum content, which is why it will take a long time for them to come to a decision. In the meanwhile, the reformed Roman Rite has become normative.

    As for PKTP, the poor man has had no education and operates solely from prejudice.

    1. What an odd little sausage you are, Mr Bowles!

      As a semi-regular (due to work-related travel) member of the congregation of Holy Ghost, Balham, I know for a fact that Deacon Bradley's relationship with the people there is very warm. I have been to one other event in which he played a role and as far as I could tell, he was equally warmly received there. Furthermore, when visiting another London parish at the end of February (having stayed with friends over the weekend), I learned that he had preached there a few weeks previously. One lady opined, "I hope that nice Anglican deacon visits us again soon". I must admit, this one made me choke on my coffee ever so slightly.

    2. More waspish comments Mr Bowles. You flatter your assumed audience with little asides that suggest that you have the ear of somebody important somewhere in the hierachy. Are you saying that an order of Mass has been submitted to Rome and rejected? (No, I thought not!). You must be aware that some of the Ordinariate groups in the UK are using the BDW. That would seem to be contrary to your assertion of a faction with in the Vatican that won't accept 'Sarum' practices. Your assertion that members of the Ordinariate clergy are at odds with one another is another piece of wishful thinking. Do you read the Tablet avidly I wonder?
      Can I extend to you an invitation to the next 'bun-fight' – Portsmouth Cathedral March 26th 11.00 for the ordination of the former Bishop Robert Mercer;.Just a short ferry ride for you………..

      1. We were told that Msgr. Burnham and others would ask the C.D.W. to approve certain adaptations to the Book of Divine Worship for use in England and Wales. I have not heard much on that in some time, now. I wonder if Msgr. Burnham would be kind enough to provide us with an update on that matter.

        As for Mr. Bowles, I need not reply, as he destroys his own credibility with his every post. He might try fasting a bit from wild accusations.

        What I am hoping for is that there will something left of the Anglican patrimony in the Ordinariates at least at the end of the three-year process to arrange a new edn. of the B.D.W. What I am seeing in these photographs, no offence intended to anyone here, is similar to what we see in the very worst of the Novus Ordo Masses in my own country: a risen Christ in place of a true crucifix on the east wall, a Novus Ordo suppertable intruded between Altar and nave, no evidence of an Altar rail, a tiny crucifix on the suppertable before the celebrant, even the light-coloured wood everywhere. All that is missing is a pink felt banner and potted plants (missing in Lent, of course).. I realise that the good Monsignor was a guest for a community in a territorial parish church but, still, something is wrong with this picture.

        As for the Mass used, it is either the Novus Ordo (in this case) or the B.D.W. with the N.O. Offertory in non-sacral English, and the 1979 (not traditional 1928) foreign (American) prayerbook text. Please don't tell me that there was hugging and gladhanding at the Pax. Out of curiosity, which Penitential Rite was used?

        I am happy to hear from Msgr. Burnham that the Roman Canon was used but he will know that all the other Eucharistic Prayers are licit both in the N.O. and the B.D.W. and that none of them have been approved in sacral English. We are supposed to feel victory when a R.S.V. lectionary is approved and the æsthetically-essential King James is not (or, at least, not so far).

        I pray to God and our Lady that the few TAC men who are admitted as priests to the Ordinariate are not forced into this sort of 'scene'. As for my 'carping', I am simply refusing to lie to myself and others and look the other way, all for the sake of 'fellowship'. I want the best for the Ordinariates. I am not seeing that. What I see is that the archliberals in the C.D.F. have acted resolutely to obstruct all that is good in the Anglican patrimony. Given who is Prefect in the C.D.F., I am hardly surprised. But I am disappointed that His Holiness, who is known to appreciate English culture and tradition, has not stepped in by now. The magic circle is winning: will it manage to turn the English Ordinariate into little more than a source of supply priests for the Novus Ordo esbalishment?


      2. I have good authority of saying what I have. It will take five years for a eucharistic rite for the Ordinariate to be approved. The CDF does not like the obsolete Sarum constituent. This was told to me by one of the Ordinariate's Catholic advisers.

        My comments on one of the transitional deacons came from a source at Allen Hall. It was observed that the sooner (or otherwise) he is ordained the better as it will stop him from muscling in on deaconing at High Masses wherever he can. He is ubiquitous.

        The divisions among the Ordinariate clergy came from an Ordinariate priest who would prefer to be incardinated in a diocese. Currently he 'looks after' five people.

        Praise God that Mercer is being ordained in Portsmouth Cathedral and not the rented St Agatha's, Portsea. Now that the TAC has rejected the Holy Father's invitation will it return to limbo?

        Whatever makes you think I live on the Isle of Wight?

    3. It is of common knowledge that there are 2 transitional deacons in the ordinariate of OLW: Frs. Dcns. Daniel Lloyd and James Bradley. They will be ordained to the sacred priesthood on April 21th.
      All this shows that you really don't know much about the ordinariate.

      + PAX et BONUM

      1. The CDF, dear. It acts in the name of the Pope, the Bishop of Rome. When it makes a declaration, Rome speaks.

        I understand that Canterbury has resigned. But I don't mean the manager of the Canterbury Bus Station.

  8. I suppose that everyone here is now aware of the Decree published last week by the Congregation for Divine Worship, in regard to the proper calendar of the Ordinariate in England. I summarise as follows:

    1. They get the N.O as it is in England, with very minor adjustments as specified hereunder. The main difference is that they get it in sacral English. However, it is not to be the A.V. in a Catholic editiion but the vastly inferior R.S.V.

    2. The obligatory memorial of St. Bonaventure becomes optional to one for St. Swithum, Bsp. of Winchester. O.L. of W. is promoted to a titular solemnity. B.l John Henry Cardinal Newman, the patron of the Ordinariate, becomes a feast.

    3. They get to use the terms Septuagesima, Sexagesima, Quinquagesima (a.k.a. Shrove Sunday), Epiphanytide and Trinitytide (no 'Ordinary time").

    So, there is no return to an Anglo-Catholic set of propers or the one of the 1962 Latin Mass or Sarum. Its the Novus Ordo the whole way.

    Of course, there probably will be some happy adjustments in three or four years' time, but I would expect that, by then, everyone will be used to the accommodation. The Ordinariates will be able to face east, use an Altar rail, give Holy Communion to kneeling communicants, skip the first lection from the O.T., skip the handshaking nonsense, use sacral English for most things and import some fine music to displace the bubblegum music normal at the N.O.M.. Fine decoration is lovely but it does little good when added to an unstable building.

    What we are seeing, at least in England, is an integration of the Ordinariate Mass into the Novus Ordo establishment. There is no parallel between this and what is had in the Ukrainian Byzantine Catholic Church, for example. None at all.


  9. As a Catholic traditionalist in the movement for over 30 years and always WITHIN the Church (not affiliated with the SSPX), I pray every day for the Ordinariates–in my mind they should become "Extraordinary Form" Catholics'
    first cousins in the faith. My family supports our EF parish in Baltimore (St. Alphonsus) and wonderful Mt. Calvary (Anglican Use); both Masses are
    ad orientem, reverent, and God-centered. Given the situation of being deferential to the local Novus Ordo pastors, it makes it IMPERATIVE that
    Ordinariate Catholics get their own buildings. I pray this is so.


    1. I am also not affiliated with the S.S.P.X and have never supported it; nor have I ever attended its Masses. Not even once. However, it is clearly within the Church. Were it not, it's priests, upon being reconciled with Rome, would be required to make a profession of faith, and its Masses would not fulfil the Sunday obligation, as the P.C.E.D. says they do. I could give other examples. There was the declaration made by the C.D.F. that the 1988 consecrations were a schismatic act and yet not one sufficient to cause a formal schism; therefore, they are not schismatics. I have a feeling that we shall not need to wait long to hear more about the Society's status. In the mean time, I see no reason to support the S.S.P.X, as I benefit very much from an approved T.L.M. that is very devout and proper.

      The Anglican Use is superior to the N.O., but that is not saying much. The A.U. is also seriously deficient, and for obvious reasons.

      There is no such thing as the 'E.F', a phoney baloney term invented by Msgr. Perl and then signed by the Pope. It's the Traditional Latin Mass. What was 'ordinary' for centuries and was never abrogated remains ordinary.


    2. Anglicans in communion with Rome and are with the Ordinariate are not "Extraordinary Form" Catholics but Extraordinary Catholics! They are not first cousins to the Latins but are brothers and sisters who have returned home after a very long journey. They are Extraordinary because of the things they have to give up in coming home and the graces they have received upon entering our House.

      1. I know of no evidence that the catacombs were used for worship. There is substantial evidence (collected e.g. in two articles by E. Peterson, the Monotheismus man) that early Christians thought it important to pray towards the East, as being the direction fro which the sign of the Son of Man would appear at the Last Times.

  10. In the UK there is a very strong tradition within the Catholic Church of absolute fidelity to the wishes of the Holy Father. It was a natural reaction to the persecution of the faithful by the state which began at the Reformation and continued in one form or another until Catholic Emancipation and even afterwards.

    So when the reforms relating to the use of the vernancular were promulgated, there was perhaps nowhere where the new uses were more energetically put into effect than in the UK: "Rome has spoken, get on with it", said the hierarchy and so it came to pass.

    Now under the present Holy Father, the pendulum of liturgical fashion is swinging back. I, for one, welcome that, but then I am of a generation where a passing knowledge of both Latin and Greek was a required part of one's education

    But what is undone is not so easily redone. Many churches have had their high altars ripped out, communion rails likewise. There are some churches where exposition of the Blessed Sacrament on the high altar is now difficult because insufficient space has been left to safely place the monstrance. Many priests do not have sufficient Latin to celebrate in that language. So reform of the reform will take time. Please also remember that the Ordinariate does not yet have its own church buildings. Its communities are guests in diocesan parishes.

    So it might be charitable for those such as Mr Perkins, whose extreme views seem to me to elevate ritual matters above substance, which is just as much an error as any other form of extremism, to stop carping at every opportunity and rejoice in the fact that some of our separated brothers and sisters have made the leap of faith and were celebrating Holy Mass in full communion.

  11. PS – I may be mistaken, but the Church where Mgr Broadhurst celebrated Holy Mass rather seems to me from the photograph to be one of those where the original Altar Stone has either been cut down or replaced by a narrower "shelf" barely wide enough for the Tabernacle in order to make room for the rather ugly wooden contraption which has been pressed into service as an Altar. Or this may be a trick of the camera angle.

    I stand to be corrected, but was not the Eucharist generally celebrated facing the people in the Catacombs? Also a number of the Eastern Rite Catholic uses have the priest facing the congregation but there used to be a veil or curtain rather like a tent which was drawn back during the liturgy of the Word and closed for the Mysteries. I recollect that as the practice of Chaldean Catholics when I was in Iraq – and since that Church still has one rite in Aramaic which was the language of Our Saviour – I suspect that its liturgical practices may be among the oldest.

    So, speaking personally, I feel there is room for both practices according to the occasion.

    1. No, Ben, sadly many Eastern Churches turned their altars toward the people in the 80's, emulating the latin rite. It is as unpatrimonial in Eastern rites to celebrate versus populum as it is in the Western. And it is currently causing great controversies in the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church.

      + PAX et BONUM

      1. I know of no evidence that the catacombs were used for worship. There is substantial evidence (collected e.g. in two articles by E. Peterson, the Monotheismus man) that early Christians thought it important to pray towards the East, as being the direction fro which the sign of the Son of Man would appear at the Last Times.
        Sorry that this got under the wrong comment further up the chain.

        1. Two comments:

          In truth, there is no evidence at all that the catacombs were used for the celebration of the Eucharist.

          Secondly, there is no tradition whatsoever of "Mass facing the people" in any of the Eastern churches. Where it does, or did occur, it was a stupid innovation of the 60s, based on nothing other than slavish imitation of bad novelties in the Latin Church. It did not happen at all in any of the Catholic ecclesiae sui juris that follow the Byzantine Rite, but it did happen among the Maronites, the Malabaris, the Chaldeans and (I think) the Ethiopians. I had a correspondence in the late 80s with a Maronite priest, now one of their bishops (in the USA) who told me explicitly that it was done simply to follow the Latin Church, and that it was "obligatory" (!) in the USA, and that while it was optional in Lebanon, only a few "country parishes" had not adopted it there. It has indeed caused great controversies in the Syro-Malabar Catholic Church (along with other liturgical innovations; there is a long article in one of the 1986 issues of the *Social Justice Review* discussing this sad controversy in some detail). And as for the Chaldean Catholics, far from its practice in this regard being "among the oldest," it, too, was a silly innovation of the 60s — but I was happy to read an account of their November 2005 synod at which it was resolved to end the practice of "facing the people" as totally contrary to their historic liturgical tradition. (And having attended more than one Qurbono of the Chaldeans' non-Catholic counterpart, the Assyrian Church, I can assure you that "facing the people" is unknown to them as well.)

          Oliver Nicholson's comments are wholly correct, and I could provide a bibliography of studies which absolutely explode the purported "historical basis" of celebration versus populum (except in those few cases, as in Rome, when to face the people was itself to face the East).

          1. I agree with Mr. Tighe's comments entirely but I would like to add a further point in reply to Mr. Nicholson. Really, even were he right about orientation at Mass, it really matters little. We are traditionalists, not archæologists. The revival or restoration of long-dead practices is not merely discouraged by Rome; no, it is positively condemned in Mediator Dei (1948). The Holy Ghost speaks through our liturgy in what is passed down in organic development. Hence the fact that all the churches in both east and west have worshippped versus solem orientem for at least 1,800 years really does carry some . . . weight.


          2. "Qurbono" should be "Qurbana;" I used the West Syriac form when I should have used the East Syriac one (cf. the Syriac word for God, "Alaha" va "Eloho")

  12. The strict following of Anglican Patrimony, at least in England, would be to celebrate at the "north side of the Table" (a place which has not existed since Archbishop Laud restored the said Tables to the altar orientation)! But nobody likely to seek the Ordinariate wants that. Surely, within what is permitted, the first reality is practicality and the first obligation charity. Even if I were sure what the ideal ultimate form of Ordinariate worship would be (a question which I think is not for edification) I think it a mistake to use that hypothetical form as a criticism of what is currently practical.

    1. What is deemed 'Anglican Patrimony' largely means post-Tractarian Anglican developments and early-c20 Anglo-Catholicism. Even then, many of the practises have been obsolete for years. The obsession with Evensong is amazingly anachronistic, considering that its survival is largely confined to cathedral worship. It has not formed part of the staple of parish life for years, least of all in Anglo-Catholic churches, many of which have given up evening services.

      The so-called 'patrimony' of the present time was unknown in c18 Anglicanism and would have been regarded with amazement and probably horror. Imagine Jane Austen attending Solemn Evensong, a decorated approximation to Solemn Vespers.

  13. John Bowles is certainly right to assert that much of what is today regarded as "Anglican Patrimony" is a "rediscovery" or even a "reinvention".

    Since the CofE is a state controlled church, the doctrinal emphasis has always shifted with the politics of the state and the transition from the Stuarts to the Hanoverians most certainly put the emphasis on the "protestant and reformed" aspects of its belief. Ms Jane Austen and her contemporaries would have been accustomed to a very "low Church" form of worship in which the most prominent event would have been a very lengthy sermon. Clergymen were addressed as "mister" and not "father" and any use of Catholic style vestments, rituals and the like within the Church of England was firmly stamped upon and indeed illegal.

    The re-introduction of "Catholic" aspects into CofE of worship in Victorian times was viewed with official disfavour and there were prosecutions, public order disturbances and ecclesiastical disciplinary proceedings. Catholic Emancipation was not that peaceful either. In my youth there were anti-catholic disturbances in Liverpool and elsewhere and "Romans" were still thought of as not quite "PLU" (People like Us) by the establishment.

    It is the continued subservience of the CofE to the secular state which is that Church's continuing problem as doctrine after doctrine has to be discarded or modified to match the secular agenda. CofE clergymen can look to the TEC in the USA and discern where their church is headed.

    I'm pleased when I note that Ordinariate priests are introducing regular Morning Prayer into the churches they serve. Evensong and especially sung evensong is a beautiful service. There is a human need for ruitual, pomp and circumstance.

    What is perhaps interesting that when such things were squeezed out of the CofE they were in many ways transferred to the monarchy. In a Catholic country a great memorial occasion might be a Solemn High Mass in the presence of the Head of State – is not the Remembrance Day observance at the Cenotaph a manifestation of the same need?

    1. Tell me if I am wrong (I know someone will) but the title "Father" in the Western Catholic Church was reserved for Religious until some time in the 19th Century – so Jane Austen's calling an Anglican minister "Mister" can hardly be thought to betray anything anti-catholic. What's more the tile "Sir" used for the priest in pre-reformation Exeter Diocese ("Voices from Morebath") seems to have continued after the Reformation.

      1. Quite right, Father Barnes, about "Sir." One only has to look at some of Shakespeare's parsons, like Feste's disguise as "Sir Topas" the curate in "Twelfth Night," to find evidence of its use in post-Reformation England.

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