Better to Ordain a Shoplifter Than a Woman as a Bishop

Ruthie Gledhill is all abuzz (my bolds!):

Read on to learn about the London Anglican traditionalist priest who believes it would be better to ordain a shoplifter than a woman as a bishop.

For that and this headline I am indebted to Jane Kramer's interview with Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Canterbury, in the latest New Yorker. Cathy Grossman has blogged it at USA Today.

The Archbishop of Canterbury told Kramer he wasn’t 'losing sleep' over the Anglican Ordinariate. 'I didn’t see it as an act of aggression,' he said, 'but I think it could have been handled in a better way.'…'How do you eat an elephant?' he said, when Kramer asked how he hoped to hold his church together.

He thought that with time, patience, and enough discussion within the Church you could temper the opposition to female bishops, despite the fact that three synods since 1994 have tried to address the issue, and the opposition remains intractable, she writes, adding that his friends call this 'Rowan’s Obama syndrome,' the persistence of a commendable but not very realistic belief in the power of reason to turn your enemies into allies.

'I’m eager to see women ordained [bishop],' he said, 'and at the same time very reluctant to see a decision made that will cost us some very, very valuable people. . . . There is something in that Catholic tradition, which is where I come from, which would be much poorer if we lost [them].'

She also interviewed Father Geoffrey Kirk, describing him as an 'unabashedly misogynist London vicar who is the national secretary of Forward in Faith.' Father Kirk told Kramer that for him, the tipping point was TEC's’ election of Katharine Jefferts Schori as their presiding bishop. He called it 'a fundamental scandal' and added, 'I think Mrs Jefferts Schori is a layperson. It’s not my doing. They decided.' He said that a shoplifter was 'more qualified, per se,' to be a bishop than a woman was, so long as the shoplifter didn’t say that shoplifting was good, or that he was a Marxist spreading the wealth around.

Heh heh heh.  Kudos to Fr. Kirk!  My kind of misogynist.   Obviously he has a sense of  humor, but feminists lack the ability to detect it.

There's more if you follow the link to the New Yorker article. Here's more Fr. Kirk:

“We claim to be part of the universal Catholic Church, and if you make that claim you cannot change what you inherit,” he told me. “If you change the nature of orders in one part of the Church, you deny the universality of orders.” Kirk will undoubtedly convert, and will work with his parishioners to convert with him. He discussed the subject of pastoral conversions with the Vatican two years ago, in conversations with the conservative Austrian cardinal Christoph Schoenborn. He was encouraged, he says, but not ready to concede the fight at home.

With this in mind, Kirk and the other Forward in Faith priests hedged their bets with the Vatican by making a marriage of convenience, or, in his words, “co-belligerency,” with their most conservative evangelical counterparts in the Church of England, including the charismatics—the British say “happy-clappies”—who prophesy and speak in tongues and otherwise bewilder their more traditional brethren. The understanding was that the evangelicals, as Biblical fundamentalists who consider homosexuality an abomination, would lead the fight against gay bishops, while the conservative Anglo-Catholics, as the fundamentalists of tradition, would do the same with women. They thought that together they could control the Synod. They were wrong.

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Deborah Gyapong is a member of the Sodality of the Annunciation of the Blessed Virgin Mary (www.annunciationofthebvm.org) in Ottawa, a former parish of the Anglican Catholic Church of Canada (Traditional Anglican Communion) whose members were received individually and corporately into the Roman Catholic Church on April 15, 2012 by Ottawa Archbishop Terrence Prendergast at St. Patrick’s Basilica. Under the provisions of the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum coetibus, the community will celebrate an approved Anglican Use liturgy and hopes to soon join with other sodalities across Canada to form the Canadian Deanery of the Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St. Peter under Msgr. Jeffrey Steenson, Ordinary. As we wait for our priest(s) to be ordained as Catholic priests, God willing, Archbishop Prendergast will provide priests to celebrate our Sunday Eucharist according to the Anglican Use. Deborah is a journalist who covers religion and politics in Canada’s national capital, writing primarily for Roman Catholic newspapers since 2004. Her novel The Defilers, published in 2006, was not a best seller, alas. She spent 17 years at the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in news and current affairs, including 12 years as a television producer.

5 thoughts on “Better to Ordain a Shoplifter Than a Woman as a Bishop

  1. Personally, I think Pope John Paul II's response was the best. The Church doesn't ordain women because the Church doesn't have the authority to do so. Comparing women bishops to shoplifters make it sound as if women are inferior, thus this into a social justice issue (which it is most certainly not).

    It's not about the worthiness or holiness of women. IMO, Mother Teresa is more worthy and holy than any priest I've met, and she's certainly had a much bigger impact. But we are called in different ways. I can't have a baby or have the special bond that mother's have with their children…but my wife can. I'm called to be a father and a husband. When we try to blur the lines and pretend that distinct things decreed by God are all the same, we destroy something of value and ultimately destroy ourselves, as is the case in fathers who abandon their children because they have nothing unique to offer, or in the Anglican Communion activist women who see all issues as "social justice" issue, thus turning a Church of God into a Church of "The Spirit of the Age".

  2. I suspect that Fr Kirk's remark's have been taken out of context, and that the point he was trying to make was precisely that which Anil Wang makes*: viz. that it's not a question of *ought* a woman to be ordained (worthiness/holiness – like the question "Ought a shoplifter to be ordained?") , but *can* she.

    The problem is that this line is literally incomprehensible to secularist thinkers (like Miss Kramer), so what they (mis-)hear is the distorted version relayed here.

    Fr Kirk's underlying view is emphatically that of John Paul II, whom I have often heard him cite in support of it.

  3. Unsurprisingly, the abuse scandal in the RCC is being used as further fuel and justification for the pro-WO shouters. The Pope should just speak ex cathedra on the matter and slam the door shut forever on any more angry and continual agitation for priestesses.

  4. Better to Ordain a Shoplifter Than a Woman as a Bishop

    This is NOT what the secularists and the LibCats are thinking. It is not how they see the problem at all. This is how they're seeing the problem:

    Better to Ordain a Child-Molesting Male than a Woman is what the Roman Catholic Church is about

    And to secularists, LibCats, and most non-Catholics, this is revolting and vile for the RCC to do that. It really makes the RCC look like it's misogynistic, institutionalizing both stupidity and evil, and without giving a fig or compassion about the victims of child molestation. And that is exactly what Maureen Dowd of the NY Times and other liberal pundits are saying or strongly intimating about the Catholic Church.

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