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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:35:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ #18,

What about +Broadhurst? He seems to be waiting in COE Limbo. I do hope he comes over. What a wonderful leader of Anglican Catholics he&#039;d make.</description>
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<p>What about +Broadhurst? He seems to be waiting in COE Limbo. I do hope he comes over. What a wonderful leader of Anglican Catholics he&#039;d make.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 06:26:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ N. P. West, #16,

We need to just let Rome decide on a case by case basis. I think we can be confident and expect some will get dispensations. Of course, some cases may be rejected (I think we need to be honest here). In the end it&#039;s up to Rome who gets accepted and who does not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ N. P. West, #16,</p>
<p>We need to just let Rome decide on a case by case basis. I think we can be confident and expect some will get dispensations. Of course, some cases may be rejected (I think we need to be honest here). In the end it&#039;s up to Rome who gets accepted and who does not.</p>
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		<title>By: Guamang1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guamang1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 02:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the insidecatholic.com interview posted above: FL: So if a man was ever a Catholic and then became an Anglican, he can&#039;t come back and be a priest within the ordinariate?

MS: That&#039;s correct, and this normally applies to men who are Anglican laymen as well as former Anglican clerics.

Does this mean that those of us baptized in the Roman church as a child but Confirmed and ordained in the Episcopal church will not be able to be priests in the Ordinariate?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the insidecatholic.com interview posted above: FL: So if a man was ever a Catholic and then became an Anglican, he can&#039;t come back and be a priest within the ordinariate?</p>
<p>MS: That&#039;s correct, and this normally applies to men who are Anglican laymen as well as former Anglican clerics.</p>
<p>Does this mean that those of us baptized in the Roman church as a child but Confirmed and ordained in the Episcopal church will not be able to be priests in the Ordinariate?</p>
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		<title>By: Gay Yuhas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gay Yuhas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is more than one problem with Archbishop Hepworth, he was at one time a Catholic priest and left and became Anglican, he also, from what I have read has been married, divorced and remarried.  

These are serious concerns regarding where he will fit into the Ordinariate.  Even if he will be allowed to become part of the Ordinariate, I pray that people will realize that many of the Anglican Use priests have had to sacrifice to become Catholics.  It is a mystery how our Lord uses people for His purpose and to our human eyes seem to have to suffer in some respects.  

My former priest who had so much to do with establishing the Pastoral Provision was denied an Anglcian Use parish.  We went on our own as individuals to become Catholic and he is now a Latin Rite priest.  Although I am know that the Lord has used him greatly, I feel that a part of him misses the Anglican traditions.

I give him great credit for what he gave up to become Catholic.  This is what makes a great leader, a person who can accomplish wonderful things for others and yet must sacrifice themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is more than one problem with Archbishop Hepworth, he was at one time a Catholic priest and left and became Anglican, he also, from what I have read has been married, divorced and remarried.  </p>
<p>These are serious concerns regarding where he will fit into the Ordinariate.  Even if he will be allowed to become part of the Ordinariate, I pray that people will realize that many of the Anglican Use priests have had to sacrifice to become Catholics.  It is a mystery how our Lord uses people for His purpose and to our human eyes seem to have to suffer in some respects.  </p>
<p>My former priest who had so much to do with establishing the Pastoral Provision was denied an Anglcian Use parish.  We went on our own as individuals to become Catholic and he is now a Latin Rite priest.  Although I am know that the Lord has used him greatly, I feel that a part of him misses the Anglican traditions.</p>
<p>I give him great credit for what he gave up to become Catholic.  This is what makes a great leader, a person who can accomplish wonderful things for others and yet must sacrifice themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Conchúr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conchúr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Feb 2010 00:31:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hope? First time I&#039;ve heard his name mentioned. Very interesting. His celibacy would make him a potential episcopal ordinary in waiting, his health allowing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hope? First time I&#039;ve heard his name mentioned. Very interesting. His celibacy would make him a potential episcopal ordinary in waiting, his health allowing.</p>
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		<title>By: William Tighe</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Tighe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #15:

 +Beverley (Martyn Jarrett), alone among the current PEVs, seems to be undecided; of the retirees Barnes is certainly in favor, but Gaisford spoke up strongly against &quot;the Roman option&quot; at last October&#039;s annual FIF/UK meeting.  Chichester, maybe -- and possibly also the quondam of York?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #15:</p>
<p> +Beverley (Martyn Jarrett), alone among the current PEVs, seems to be undecided; of the retirees Barnes is certainly in favor, but Gaisford spoke up strongly against &#034;the Roman option&#034; at last October&#039;s annual FIF/UK meeting.  Chichester, maybe &#8212; and possibly also the quondam of York?</p>
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		<title>By: N. P. West</title>
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		<dc:creator>N. P. West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here is an interview from insidecatholic.com that discusses the ordinariates.  Please note the question regarding former Catholic clergy who are now Anglicans.  Could this be an impediment to Archbishop Hepworth?  I certainly hope not as he has led the TAC with distinction...

http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=7219&amp;Itemid=19&amp;ed=1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is an interview from insidecatholic.com that discusses the ordinariates.  Please note the question regarding former Catholic clergy who are now Anglicans.  Could this be an impediment to Archbishop Hepworth?  I certainly hope not as he has led the TAC with distinction&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=7219&amp;Itemid=19&amp;ed=1" rel="nofollow">http://insidecatholic.com/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=7219&amp;Itemid=19&amp;ed=1</a></p>
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		<title>By: Conchúr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Conchúr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 19:35:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In terms of active CoE bishops probably the four current PEVs and maybe the Bishop of Chichester.  Retirees - Edwin Barnes, maybe John Gaisford. Beyond those, no idea. With regards to priests I wouldn&#039;t hazard a guess. As for getting back Cathedrals, not a chance I&#039;m afraid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In terms of active CoE bishops probably the four current PEVs and maybe the Bishop of Chichester.  Retirees &#8211; Edwin Barnes, maybe John Gaisford. Beyond those, no idea. With regards to priests I wouldn&#039;t hazard a guess. As for getting back Cathedrals, not a chance I&#039;m afraid.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob K.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many priests and bishops of the CoE do you all think may take the Holy Father&#039;s offer? Is there a prospect that we may get back some of the Cathedrals that were lost from the Reformation? Or a chance to jointly share them with those who will remain in the CoE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many priests and bishops of the CoE do you all think may take the Holy Father&#039;s offer? Is there a prospect that we may get back some of the Cathedrals that were lost from the Reformation? Or a chance to jointly share them with those who will remain in the CoE?</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Mark (ACNA)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Mark (ACNA)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob,

Yes the ACNA realizes the CoE will create a position for women who wish to be known as Bishop.  In the Canons and Constitution of the ACNA, women&#039;s ordination is accepted. Oh there are some restricts, but the ACNA does have women recognized as deacon and priest.  I am in the REC of the ACNA. While we strictly prohibit ordaining women, we are being forced to accept them in vestments in our Churches.  They appear at ordinations etc, process in but so far I have not witnessed any in the Sanctuary near the Altar.  Being associated with the ACNA has the effect of making one comfortable with heresy.

ArchBishop Duncan supports womens ordination. Since last June 09, the ACNA has ordained women to deacon and priest.  Bishop Iker of Fort Worth has declared he is in impaired communion with his own ArchBishop due to women&#039;s ordination,   He has asked the ArchBishop to stop personnally ordaining women. This was reported on Virtue On Line website.

At the last meeting of the ACNA Bishops, women&#039;s ordination was ignored. Bishop Grote of the REC attempted to bring it up, but ArchBishop Duncan &quot;tabled&quot; the discuss until the next meeting in June 2010.  While AMiA has a paper that supports the scriptures and tradition of not ordaining, they still grandfather (mother?) women in  and continue to ordain women as deacon.  Some Bishops who oppose WO are set to retire, Bishop Schofield in California.  The names I have heard as successor include those soft on WO. 

When I join ACNA, I foolishly believed what I was told that WO would pass and end.  That I would not have to serve with females who have been told they are deacon and priest.  I now know that the ACNA is just the Episcopal Church of 10-20 years ago and in a few rapid years will be just like them.

Like I said earlier, the ACNA wants to be ANglican. To be Anglican they must be recognized by the ArchBishop of Canterbury.  

Fr.Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Yes the ACNA realizes the CoE will create a position for women who wish to be known as Bishop.  In the Canons and Constitution of the ACNA, women&#039;s ordination is accepted. Oh there are some restricts, but the ACNA does have women recognized as deacon and priest.  I am in the REC of the ACNA. While we strictly prohibit ordaining women, we are being forced to accept them in vestments in our Churches.  They appear at ordinations etc, process in but so far I have not witnessed any in the Sanctuary near the Altar.  Being associated with the ACNA has the effect of making one comfortable with heresy.</p>
<p>ArchBishop Duncan supports womens ordination. Since last June 09, the ACNA has ordained women to deacon and priest.  Bishop Iker of Fort Worth has declared he is in impaired communion with his own ArchBishop due to women&#039;s ordination,   He has asked the ArchBishop to stop personnally ordaining women. This was reported on Virtue On Line website.</p>
<p>At the last meeting of the ACNA Bishops, women&#039;s ordination was ignored. Bishop Grote of the REC attempted to bring it up, but ArchBishop Duncan &#034;tabled&#034; the discuss until the next meeting in June 2010.  While AMiA has a paper that supports the scriptures and tradition of not ordaining, they still grandfather (mother?) women in  and continue to ordain women as deacon.  Some Bishops who oppose WO are set to retire, Bishop Schofield in California.  The names I have heard as successor include those soft on WO. </p>
<p>When I join ACNA, I foolishly believed what I was told that WO would pass and end.  That I would not have to serve with females who have been told they are deacon and priest.  I now know that the ACNA is just the Episcopal Church of 10-20 years ago and in a few rapid years will be just like them.</p>
<p>Like I said earlier, the ACNA wants to be ANglican. To be Anglican they must be recognized by the ArchBishop of Canterbury.  </p>
<p>Fr.Mark</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do know that many in FiF-NA are very interested.  It remains to be seen if they will transition in an organized and measured way, or in a chaotic fragmentation.  I strongly hope and pray for the former.  It will also be a wake-up call for the hesitant Americans in both FiF and the ACA if all of their counterparts in other countries begin transitioning to the ordinariates, leaving them with the prospect of being alone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know that many in FiF-NA are very interested.  It remains to be seen if they will transition in an organized and measured way, or in a chaotic fragmentation.  I strongly hope and pray for the former.  It will also be a wake-up call for the hesitant Americans in both FiF and the ACA if all of their counterparts in other countries begin transitioning to the ordinariates, leaving them with the prospect of being alone.</p>
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		<title>By: Fr. Anthony Chadwick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fr. Anthony Chadwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replying to # 9 and 10:

It certainly looks like the “tectonic plates” are readjusting after the recent decision of General Synod to exclude a “safe haven” for Anglo-Catholics and conservative Evangelicals. Others have said that an exodus of the Anglo-Catholics would leave a gaping hole for someone else to jump into. The Methodists are in free-fall decline and will certainly need financial support from the Church of England.

Seen through American eyes, this would be the case. But, this is the UK, and more people faced with change will either react according to the “Vicar of Bray Syndrome” or give up going to church altogether.

I don’t think the exodus of Anglo-Catholics (to Rome or to stay in bed on Sunday mornings) will be a determining factor in any revival of low-church / evangelical Anglicanism. The new few months will verify the numbers of C of E clergy and laity interested in the Ordinariate project.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replying to # 9 and 10:</p>
<p>It certainly looks like the “tectonic plates” are readjusting after the recent decision of General Synod to exclude a “safe haven” for Anglo-Catholics and conservative Evangelicals. Others have said that an exodus of the Anglo-Catholics would leave a gaping hole for someone else to jump into. The Methodists are in free-fall decline and will certainly need financial support from the Church of England.</p>
<p>Seen through American eyes, this would be the case. But, this is the UK, and more people faced with change will either react according to the “Vicar of Bray Syndrome” or give up going to church altogether.</p>
<p>I don’t think the exodus of Anglo-Catholics (to Rome or to stay in bed on Sunday mornings) will be a determining factor in any revival of low-church / evangelical Anglicanism. The new few months will verify the numbers of C of E clergy and laity interested in the Ordinariate project.</p>
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		<title>By: N. P. West</title>
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		<dc:creator>N. P. West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, with the news of the Methodists reuniting with the CofE...might this show a revival of evangelical/low church in British Anglicanism once most Anglo-Catholics depart?  Might this mean the further &quot;Protestantization&quot; of Anglicanism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, with the news of the Methodists reuniting with the CofE&#8230;might this show a revival of evangelical/low church in British Anglicanism once most Anglo-Catholics depart?  Might this mean the further &#034;Protestantization&#034; of Anglicanism?</p>
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		<title>By: N. P. West</title>
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		<dc:creator>N. P. West</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting news...it would also seem that the news of Anglo-Catholics poised to leave en masse from the CofE over the ordination of women bishops is already impacting Protestantism...The Times reports that the Methodist Church in the UK is set to merge with the Church of England...

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article7023713.ece?&amp;EMC-Bltn=MJU9T2F</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting news&#8230;it would also seem that the news of Anglo-Catholics poised to leave en masse from the CofE over the ordination of women bishops is already impacting Protestantism&#8230;The Times reports that the Methodist Church in the UK is set to merge with the Church of England&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Feb 2010 05:08:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Australia leads the way!</description>
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