Diplomatic Niceties
It is not my intention here to labour certain points made over the last couple of days, but I need to address a serious concern. This is a question of diplomacy and decency with the authorities with which we have asked to be in communion. All along, we have known who the Pope is, who is the Prefect of the CDF, who is Bishop of which Diocese, and so forth.
I have partly gone into this is my Pastorally and Progressively post. There is another thing to consider, the fact that we are not traditionalists or sympathisers with the work of the late Archbishop Lefebvre. We know the Society of Saint Pius X has its own ongoing dialogue with the Holy See, and I wish them well. We have certain things in common when it comes to specifically religious and doctrinal questions, but we come from different origins and have little in common in political or ideological terms.
We in the TAC and other Anglican groups recognise that Rome has been exceedingly generous to us so far, and we have no reason for fear. It would certainly be bad manners for us to demand this and that, especially when we have no no reason to believe that our desires will be denied. It would certainly be most inappropriate for us to make public denunciations or accusations of Vatican officials, above all on account of matters unconnected with the matter in hand. The matter in hand is Anglicanorum Coetibus and what is being done to make us formal and canonical members of the Catholic Church to which we already belong by desire and in spirit.
I made a point elsewhere that denouncing the liturgy of Paul VI as invalid or heretical (I’m not saying that anyone here has done so) would be a deal-breaker. Such excessive judgements would close down any relationship between those in authority and those of us who are petitioners. However, making a good study of the modern Roman liturgy, and showing up its weak points in liturgical and symbolic terms is rendering a service to the Church. The latter has been the approach of the present Pope in his many writings and interviews, and of other distinguished scholars like the late Monsignor Klaus Gamber.
It does not behove us to condemn the ordinary form of the Roman rite or any part of it, or refuse to use this rite if pastoral circumstances should warrant it. The Apostolic Constitution says:
III. Without excluding liturgical celebrations according to the Roman Rite, the Ordinariate has the faculty to celebrate the Holy Eucharist and the other Sacraments, the Liturgy of the Hours and other liturgical celebrations according to the liturgical books proper to the Anglican tradition, which have been approved by the Holy See, so as to maintain the liturgical, spiritual and pastoral traditions of the Anglican Communion within the Catholic Church, as a precious gift nourishing the faith of the members of the Ordinariate and as a treasure to be shared.
The provision allowing the use of the Roman Rite serves a purpose. For example, other than the BDW which is presently available only in the USA only, there exists no approved Anglican liturgy. Many of our priests would like to be able to help out in local parishes. Most importantly, most Anglo-Catholics in the UK already use the modern Roman Rite. This is not a question of Rome trying to push the Ordinary Form on Anglicans, or engage in some kind of “bait and switch” operation.
I do not believe that, if we use either form or both forms of the Roman rite, we would forfeit our privilege of using the specific Anglican liturgy that is intended to be allowed for us. We can, for pastoral needs, use the highly faulty liturgical rite promulgated by Paul VI and criticise it at the same time, with courtesy and intellectual rigour.
One of the finest examples of a book giving this kind of criticism is Monsignor Klaus Gamber’s The Reform of the Roman Liturgy: Its Problems and Background. It exposes the extent of discontinuity in the post-conciliar reform, but in a way that enabled Cardinal Ratzinger to write a preface to this book and recommend it. Gamber’s approach is totally different from that of the traditionalists. For example, he readily accepted the idea of introducing the vernacular and some of the simplifications of the 1965 revision of the Roman missal.
As we read from Dom Alcuin Reid’s review of Gamber’s book:
It is Gamber’s brave but loyal ‘critical traditionalism’ that gives such importance to his writing. His theses are well documented, and his research is impressive. One hopes more of his writings will be made available in translation.
After reading Gamber (and also Bugnini) it is difficult if not impossible to maintain an uncritical acceptance of the new liturgy, even when it is celebrated devoutly and with the right intention. When we recall the doctrinal importance of the liturgy (lex orandi, lex credendi), we realise that the question of how we worship is central to our faith. What then is to be done?
“What we need today … [are] bishops like those who in the fourth century courageously fought against Arianism when almost the whole of Christendom had succumbed to the heresy. We need saints today who can unite those whose faith has remained firm so that we might fight error and rouse the weak and vacillating from their apathy,” writes Gamber. A tall order, certainly, but not beyond the possibilities of Divine Providence.
I think that it is in this spirit that we can go forward towards Rome with our eyes open, but with faith and veneration in our pilgrimage. We are not blind or deceived, but loyal, courteous and critical. One does not exclude the other.


about 1 month ago
Fr. Chadwick asserts that “we” are not sympathisers with the work of Archbishop Lefebvre. Is this the royal we? Incoming Anglicans have a perfect right to sympathise with that holy man. They also have a right under the 1983 Code of Canons to make their concerns known to their pastors. My own position?: I am a traditionalist Latin Catholic who sympathises with but does not support the S.S.P.X or its position.; in fact, to show my loyalty to the Holy Father, I have not even once attended a S.S.P.X Mass or other liturgy. Any incoming Anglican can and should have the same position.
On Father’s next point, he asserts that the C.D.F. has been generous, a debateable point, and says that the TAC has no right to demand this or that. Well, it does have a right to ASK for this or that and even a duty to ask for that which is good, all to support His Holiness’s expressed desire that what is transmitted here is the ANGLICAN patrimony. That patrimony does not include the N.O.M. or its distinctive Eucharisic Prayers or Offertory, which is the central core of the Mass! I’m not saying that the N.O. must be excluded but only that other options from the Anglican traditon are DESIRED and needed. Needed because Anglicatholics are attached to their liturgical tradition no less than are those who are attached to “the Latin liturgical tradition” (cf. Ecclesia Dei, 3c). Period.
Then cometh this gem, Father: “I do not believe that, if we use either form or both forms of the Roman rite, we would forfeit our privilege of using the specific Anglican liturgy that is intended to be allowed for us.”
Look, facts are facts. There is no space at present for any Anglican liturgical patriomny in A.C. except for a purely American and modernistic one (1979) currently being used by eight parishes, most of them in Texas; and even that liturgy has non-Anglican elements in it, incluing its entire core: its Offertory AND its alternate canons.
Fr. Chadwick naturally fears incensing certain officials in Roman dicasteries. But the cost of this fear must not be the loss of the Anglican patrimony and the imposition of the N.O. Offertory and Eucharistic Prayers.
I have been defending TACers among traditionalists for a long time, as Fr. Chadwick knows very well. But I will be unable to defend them any longer when they point and laugh and say that ‘Conciliar Rome’ has made fools of their clergy. I pray that this will turn out well, and I urge the TAC bishops, politely but firmly, to request the approval of the 1921 Anglican Missal, which Cardinal Cushing actually recommended at Vatican II. Call me a criminal for suggesting this interim measure. We musn’t be impolite. It would be rude to object to anyone who simply removes our patrimony. Good grief! Don’t say ‘thank you’ when they shoot you!
P.K.T.P.
about 1 month ago
All I can say is the matter should be taken up directly with Archbishop Hepworth, Cardinal Levada and possibly the Prefect of the Congregation of Divine Worship. No one else has authority in the matter.
I am not directing any polemics in your direction, and you should not take my post personally.
I have no more to say on this subject.
about 1 month ago
Dear Fr. Chadwick:
As you have noted before, this blog is read in various places. I am hoping that the TAC hierarchy reads it and considers it. Maybe some loyalist to the Pope in Rome will alert H.H. about what his C.D.F. is up to. Who knows?
It is difficult for me to write and convince TAC prelates whom I have never met, especially since I am not their subject and never have been. Perhaps other readers here, who are TAC subjects, will convey their concerns through the appropriate channels. Given that we are talking about the principal purpose for unity between the TAC and Rome, some might consider the subject to be important.
Remember what Pope Benedict XVI says in Article III; he says that the purpose of the measures there is “to maintain the liturgical, spiritual and pastoral traditions of the Anglican Communion within the Catholic Church, as a precious gift nourishing the faith of the members of the Ordinariate and as a treasure to be shared”.
Question: how does an imposition of the N.O. Offertory and Eucharistic prayers (and Words of Instittuion) achieve this end? What could be more important to a liturgy than its centre and its end?
I also note His Holiness’s term “shared”. Shared with whom? Other Catholics, obviously. Well, I am one of those other Catholics. I ask to be able to receive this gift by attending Anglicatholic liturgies. But what sort of gift has the centre torn out of it? What sort of little box at Christmas, no matter how attractive and well wrapt, is emptied of hoped-for gift. Surprise! Instead of a delightful toy castle, it’s a sweater.
If my motive was selfish here, I”d smile and say, “Who cares about their patrimony? They can offer the Latin Mass I want and my local liberal bishops can’t do a thing to stop them. I can get something from these people and take some authority away from the local liberal Latin bishops I despise”. Well, that’s not my motive then. I want this to enrich the Church and bring home Anglicans to a house they can recognise as theirs.
P.K.T.P.
about 1 month ago
Gentlemen,
To change the subject, I have a question: More than a week ago Archbishop Hepworth indicated that further information would be coming in the next week. Does anyone have any idea about when this is forthcoming?
about 1 month ago
Andrew,
Expect the first of these documents to be released via The Anglo-Catholic in the next twenty-four hours.
about 1 month ago
My suggestion:
That His Grace The Most Reverened Archbishop John Hepworth, acting on behalf of the entire TAC throughout the world as its Primate, request that Rome approve the English Missal of 1912 and the Anglican Missal of 1921 [the latter recommended by Cardinal Cushing during Vatican II] for use in all the TAC groups that request this in their application for ordindariates.
Once Rome has granted such approval, which should take no longer than a week (the same Archbishops having sent copies), the TAC would begin the process of requesting regional ordinariates in accordance with the provisions set forth in A.C.
Polite. Not a demand. Reserved. Reasonable.
Clear?
P.K.T.P.
P.S. The request goeth to he C.D.F. with copies to the C.D.W. and directly to His Holiness.
about 1 month ago
Ahh, I have been snow-bound in a cabin heated with wood watching DVDs of The Waltons and eating pop corn – it does help one to unwind (I’m now at the lodge on their wi-fi while the kids swim)! Mr. Perkins suggestion is the plain, simple conclusive reason for the discussion of liturgy. We all hope someone with real authority (not some vestryman) is reading and taking note.
But…
This exercise requires the TAC bishops to take the initiative. They must again go to the well and make another humble request. H.H. will be very pleased with a request to use the 1912 English Missal AND the 1921 Anglican Missal; and he will grant the request. But the request has to made; our bishops must have an eye for the future.
The Ordinariates should not adopt anything remotely Novus Ordo nor should they hope the current provincialism, rampant in every diocese, will be allowed in perpetuity – nor can this current provincial diversity sustain the Ordinariates into the next generation. They will fade into obscurity because the lifeblood – the liturgy – never rose above the immediate needs of isolated folks. We need creative energy and this energy is found in these exquisite old books.
I know our Pope will grant this request because these Missals represent the mature fruit of English Christians the beauty of which is acknowledged even by neo-pagans and atheists let alone us Christians. A profoundly beautiful English liturgy is a tool for conversion. Not to mention, H.H. is an Anglo-phile; and why wouldn’t he be? All truly intellectual lovers of good literature have to be.
To all TAC bishops reading this, please, consider if there be any reasons NOT to request the perpetual use of these two Missals as definitive forms for our worship; obviously the reasons in their favor are countless.
…back to the cabin…
PS. The BCP is nice but not nearly as so – not to mention they are regional.
about 1 month ago
Something more has occurred to me in regard to the liturgy. To my recollection, in his statement of 16th Januaryy, Apb. H. remarked that the first ordinariates would come into being before the Feast of SS. Peter & Pauil; and that those for Africa & Asia would follow later.
Now, consider this remark in terms of the liturgical options apparent from Article III of A.C. According to that, the current options are the T.L.M., the N.O.M., and the 1932 B.D.W.
As we have noted, Anglican congregations would find a T.L.M. to be foreign, and its approved translations in the vernacular from the late 1960s are out of print. So TAC in Asia & Africa can’t use that.
Secondly, the B.D.W. exists only in English, so that TAC in Asia and most of Africa can’t use that.
It follows logically that the TAC in Asia & Africa must use only the N.O.M. in approved translations (Xhosa, Hindi, Bengali, Urdu, &c.). This is why Apb. H. says that the TAC in India & Africa will be delayed in entry: they need to get some sort of liturgy TRANSLATED into their languages. I’m betting he means the new internatonal Anglicatholic Mass Bsp. Wilkinson & others have been working on.
Perhaps Apb. Hepworth has a surprise in store for us, then. Perhaps he is about to present that new liturgy in English and ask Rome to approve it before Easter. Even so, my request for the 1921 Anglican Missal stands, since there is not enough time to publish, fund, print, and distribute anything new before July.
P.K.T.P.
about 1 month ago
Thank you, Fr Chadwick, for making these points, which I believe are very important.
To adopt a doctrinaire stance on the matter of utilising the modern Roman liturgy would I feel be counterproductive. It would certainly be uncharitable and imprudent.
In any case, the UK FiF congregations considering a Tiber swim already use the modern Roman books – so it would be perverse to persuade them to give up what they know.
Surely the Anglican liturgical patrimony is about much more than celebrating the Traditional Latin Mass (Roman or Sarum) done into Cranmerian English?
I would have thought that this patrimony would consist in all that is orthodox in the various classic BCP’s, weeding out errors and supplying any missing elements.
about 1 month ago
Dear Joshua:
The Anglican Missal of 1921 which I have been suggestng has not only the Roman Canon but also the various regional canons. Except for the Traditional Roman Offertory, the rest of the Mass is taken entirely from B.C.P. sources.
P.K.T.P.